The Infamous T206 Ed Walsh with Blue Old Mill Back

In August of 2012, word started circulating on net54baseball.com that an Old Mill with blue ink had been found at the National.  Initially most people thought it was a joke, but within a couple days a picture was posted of the card inside an SGC holder.  Many long-time collectors who had inspected it in person agreed that it looked legitimate.  SGC thought enough of the card to label it as a “Blue Back”.  At this point, many forum members who had only viewed camera phone pictures deferred to the collectors who had seen the card in person.  Still, many were not convinced.  Some thought the card looked good but that the ink could have faded or been exposed to chemicals.  A member posted a reprint Old Mill back which had been printed with blue ink side-by-side with the back of the Walsh (shown below).  There were also a small group of posters who agreed the heavy and even rounding of the corners gave them pause, as many artificially aged reprints exhibit suspiciously even corner rounding.

In December 2012, the card showed up for auction via Huggins and Scott.  It debuted with a hefty $15,000 minimum bid.  It sold but only received one bid.  The story died down a bit after that.  In November 2013, the card showed up for auction again, this time via Heritage Auctions.  It sold for $14,340 this time.  Forum posters noted how the new owner had listed it on Heritage’s website with a $30,000 price tag.  At this point, the card kind of fell off the face of the earth.  People stopped talking about it, and it hasn’t been offered for sale since.  When the discovery was first publicized, collectors everywhere pulled out their Old Mill backs to give them another look, just in case they might have a blue back.  Nobody found one.  It’s hard to imagine that only one single card from a factory-cut sheet would have survived.  It’s absolutely possible of course, just unlikely.  If you look closely at the edges of this card, you can make the case that it was originally hand-cut.  If it was, that would make a lot of sense.  If a sheet was printed with blue ink and then scrapped, you would expect most cards on the sheet would have remained in the garbage and star players like Walsh would be most likely to survive.

There is no question that the front of this card is legit.  It shares some printing flaws with a few other Walsh cards printed in 1910.  T206 back collector Scott Stiffler posted this comparison of his card (the SGC 40) with the Blue Old Mill to show the print anomalies that the two cards share.  They both have a weak border on the left and right sides and little red dots on the “I” in Chicago and on his forehead.  The Piedmont 350 below exhibits the same weak border on the right hand side as well as the red dot at the top of the “I”.

Controversy is likely to follow this card until another Old Mill with Blue Ink is found (if that ever happens).  I tend to trust the advanced collectors who have held it and pronounced it the real deal.  I also trust that SGC would have done their due diligence in making sure the card was not re-backed or altered in any way that could be detected.  My biggest concern about the card personally is this:  If it were re-backed, it would probably look just like this because the person who did it would want to round the corners to try and smooth the edges and avoid detection.

I’d love to see it in person someday.  Until then, I’ll remain the slightest bit skeptical, like most others who have only seen the scans online.

Tough T206 Polar Bears??? Certainly!!!

A Guest Blog Article from Fellow T206 Junkie Scott Gross

First off, I’d like to thank Luke for allowing me to write this brief article as part of his great new T206 blog.  We are both T206 fanatics, and enjoy all aspects of this fantastic set.  There is always something new to learn, especially when it comes to advertising backs.

As far as basic adverting back rarity goes, even the newest collector knows Piedmont and Sweet Caporal backs are the most common.  Of course, there are some exceptions, and “exceptions” are some of the most interesting aspects of T206 collecting.  Next up on the back list, most would say Polar Bear is the most common.

Polar Bear cards were distributed uniquely in the T206 world in packs of loose tobacco.  Therefore, many cards have very distinct tobacco stains.  They were first distributed in early 1910 as part of the second round of T206 printings, known by many as Print Group 2.

OK, now to the gist of this article:  Are all Polar Bear subjects as common as thought?  Most are.  But this means some are not!

Subjects printed in Print Group 2, mentioned above (350 Subjects Only) and Print Group 3 (350-460 Subjects) are relatively common.  However, subjects released in Print Group 4 (460 only) can be quite tough to find.  460 Only printing was in early 1911.  My theory is that this was when Polar Bear brand was slowing down and/or ending their affiliation with T206 cards.

Now for some numbers.  There were only 46 new cards added in the 460 Only printing: 39 common players, and 7 Hall of Famers.  As an aside, a disproportional number (15) were NY Giants.  That would make sense, as the Giants were the popular team of the day.

Here is a list of the 460 Only, along with the number of Polar Bear cards graded by PSA (using PSA populations as a relative example of distribution):

 

Abbaticchio, Ed (Blue Sleeves) 16
Ball, Neal (Cleveland) 12
Bell, George (Follow Thru) 11
Bergen, Bill (Catching) 11
Bescher, Bob (Hands In Air) 14
Bridwell, Al (Portrait – With Cap) 15
Camnitz, Howie (Arm At Side) 8
Camnitz, Howie (Hands Above Head) 10
Crandall, Doc (Portrait With Cap) 13
DeVore, Josh 11
Doyle, Larry (Portrait) 7
Ford, Russ 11
Frill, John 13
Gandil, Chick 19
Geyer, Rube 10
Herzog, Buck (Boston) 16
Howell, Harry (Hand At Waist) 9
Hummel, John 18
Lake, Joe (St. Louis – Ball In Hand) 15
Latham, Arlie 26
Merkle, Fred (Throwing) 18
Meyers, Chief 20
Murray, Red (Portrait) 10
Needham, Tom 13
Oldring, Rube (Batting) 9
Overall, Orval (Hands Waist Level) 10
Payne, Fred 14
Pfeffer, Francis 8
Schaefer, Germany (Washington) 18
Schlei, Admiral (Batting) 19
Schlei, Admiral (Portrait) 20
Schulte, Wildfire (Back View) 7
Seymour, Cy (Portrait) 25
Sheckard, Jimmy (Glove Showing) 10
Smith, Happy 15
Stovall, George (Batting) 13
Tannehill, Lee (Tannehill On Front) 15
Wiltse, Hooks (Portrait – With Cap) 23
 
Chase, Hal (Holding Trophy) 29
Chance, Frank (Batting) 15
Duffy, Hugh 17
Marquard, Rube (Pitching) 30
McGraw, John (Glove At Hip) 24
McGraw, John (Portrait – With Cap) 17
Tinker, Joe (Bat On Shoulder) 17
Wheat, Zack 21

Looking at only the common players (excluding Chase, who will be discussed later), the average number is 14.  Now, there are some players with noticeably higher numbers.  But notice which ones: NY Giants (Latham, Merkle, Meyers, Schlei, Seymour, Wiltse).  Once again, due to the popularity of these players, they may have been relatively over-printed. If you remove these Giants, the average would drop to about 12.

In order to get these numbers to make sense, we have to look at Polar Bear card populations from the 350 Only and 350-460 printings.  What I have done is select a random number of these Polar Bears cards.  Actually they are the ones I have in my collection.  The average population of 45 of these non-460 Only cards is 21.

If I could find my Stats book from college long ago, I could do some statistical analysis on these numbers.  But I’ll let them stand as is, and speak for themselves.  The 460 Only average is 14 versus Non-460 Only at 21. I’ll conclude that 460 Only Polar Bear cards are tougher to come by.

In fact, there are some of Polar Bears being as tough to find as corresponding Tolstoi backs:

Player                                                                                                Polar Bear    Tolstoi
Camnitz, Howie (Arm At Side) 8 6
DeVore, Josh 11 14
Doyle, Larry (Portrait) 7 8
Howell, Harry (Hand At Waist) 9 8
Pfeffer, Francis 8 9
Schulte, Wildfire (Back View) 7 7
Sheckard, Jimmy (Glove Showing) 10 12
Tannehill, Lee (Tannehill On Front) 15 19

Next up: Prince Hal Chase.  Although Chase is not in the Hall of Fame (a definite candidate, but too much gambling baggage), he was arguably one of the most popular players of the time.  He has 5 T206s.  Of the five cards, no Polar Bears were printed with his Pink Portrait or White Cap cards.  Looking at his Polar Bear cards, there is a notable drop in his 460 Only Holding Trophy:

Blue Portrait – 56
Dark Cap – 40

Holding Trophy – 29

Finally, Hall of Fame Polar Bear 460 Only.  Now, with these HOFs, there appears to be a substantial decrease in the number of Polar Bears.

Chance, Frank (Batting) 15
Duffy, Hugh 17
Marquard, Rube (Pitching) 30
McGraw, John (Glove At Hip) 24
McGraw, John (Portrait – With Cap) 17
Tinker, Joe (Bat On Shoulder) 17
Wheat, Zack 21

Average: 20

Compare this to my Non-460 Only HOFs with Polar Bear Backs (which, I think, is a nice, random group):

Jimmy Collins (Minneapolis) 25
Rube Marquard (Pitching Follow Through) 29
Hughie Jennings (Both Hands Showing) 31
Joe Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder) 42
Johnny Evers (With Bat Chicago On Shirt) 49
Hughie Jennings (One Hand Showing) 54
Mordecai Brown (Chicago On Shirt) 56
Ty Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder) 63
Cy Young (Cleveland) (Glove Shows) 67
Walter Johnson (Pitching) 73
Frank Chance (Portrait Yellow Background) 80

 Average: 52

Once again, quite notable that 460 Only Polar Bears (avg. 20) are rarer than Non-460s (avg. 52).  Also, many are comparable to corresponding Tolstoi difficulty when it comes to tracking them down:

Player                                                                                                Polar Bear    Tolstoi
Chance, Frank (Batting) 15 11
Duffy, Hugh 17 17
McGraw, John (Portrait – With Cap) 17 25
Wheat, Zack 21 19

So next time you run across a “common” Polar Bear, double-check if it’s a 460 Only print. It may not be as “common” as you think!

Written by Scott Gross

*thank you as always to the folks at T206resource.com for sharing their spreadsheets with us, and all T206 collectors

The Top 10 National League Pitchers of 1909 (in terms of WAR)

Over 100 years have passed since the T206 set was produced.  History has a way of simplifying events and legacies, sometimes to our detriment.  T206 collectors generally put their cards into one of three categories: Hall of Famer, Southern Leaguer, or common.  That last umbrella is far too large.  If you haven’t studied the players, teams, and statistics of the deadball era, you would look at an Orval Overall card next to a Newt Randall and put them both in the “common category”.  If you know who the Hall of Famers in the set are, you are well on the way to knowing who the best players of the era were.  But, as I hope to show, there are a ton of other stars and interesting players whose stories have largely been lost to time.  In this series, I’m going to take a look at the standout players from 1909, 1910, and 1911.  You’ll know a lot of the names, but hopefully you’ll also learn something about some “common” player cards you own.

NL pitching war 1 - 5

1.  Christy Mathewson – 9.2 WAR for pitchers

“Matty” had a ridiculous season.  His 1.14 ERA led the NL, and his 25 wins were second only to Mordecai Brown.  He was first in hits per 9 (6.27) and walks per 9 (1.17).  He threw 8 shutouts and finished 26 games.  In 1909, ATC released his “Portrait” and “White Cap” cards, and “Dark Cap” followed in 1910.

2.  Mordecai Brown – 8.7 WAR for pitchers

In a lot of seasons, he would have been the best pitcher in the NL.  He sported a 1.31 ERA to go with a 27-9 record.  He threw more innings than anyone, and it wasn’t even close.  His 342.2 dwarfed Mattern’s 316.1.  Mordecai matched Matty’s 8 shutouts and led the NL in complete games with 32.  He even found time to lead the NL in saves with 7!  In 1909, his “Portrait” and “Cubs on Shirt” cards were released.  “Chicago on Shirt” was produced in 1910.

3.  Nap Rucker – 7.8 WAR for pitchers

Rucker turned in an amazing season for the hapless Brooklyn Superbas.  His record of 13-19 was underwhelming, but advanced metrics show how dominant he really was.  Brooklyn went 55-98 that year, so wins were at a premium.  His 201 strikeouts were good for 2nd in the NL, and his 309.1 innings thrown was third most in the league.  He finished 28 games (3rd in the NL) and 6 of them were shutouts (4th).  In 1909, his “portrait” card was released and “throwing” followed in 1910.

4.  Orval Overall – 7.2 WAR for pitchers

Orval went 20-11 with a 1.42 ERA for the Cubs in 1909.  He led the league in strikeout (205) and K/9 at 6.48.  Rucker was a distant second at 5.85.  He also led the NL in shutouts with 9.  ATC released his iconic “Portrait” in 1909 and “Hand at Face Level” in 1910.  His final T206, “Hands at Waist Level”, was released in 1911.

5.  Art Fromme – 5.6 WAR for pitchers

Fromme went 19-13 with a 1.90 ERA for Cincinnati in 1909.  He had gone 5-13 in 1907 and 1908, so his stellar performance came as a surprise to fans and the American Tobacco Company alike.  He did not grace the front of a T206 in 1909, but after his amazing season, he was given one in 1910.  He was a workhorse, starting 34 games (tied for 2nd in the NL) and finishing 22 of them.  Fromme’s peripherals are mostly underwhelming compared to the rest of the hurlers in this list.  However, his Hits/9 was second only to Mathewson at 6.28.

T207 Moore
Moore’s beautiful T207

6.  Earl Moore – 5.5 WAR for pitchers

1909 was the start of a sick 3 year run for Earl Moore.  He was amazing for each of the years T206s were produced, and yet he was omitted from the set.  It’s hard to fathom why.  I do have a theory as to the reason, but it is a subject for another article.  He had an 18-12 record to go with an ERA of 2.10.  His 173 K’s was good for 3rd in the NL.  He started 34 games and finished 24 of them.

7.  Howie Camnitz – 5.5 WAR for pitchers

Camnitz’s record of 25-6 matched Matty’s output for the 1909 season.  His ERA (1.62) was 4th in the NL, and his BB/9 and Hit/9 were both in the Top 10.  He started 30 games, 20 of which were completed.  Six of those were shutouts.  Like the first 4 pitchers on this list, Camnitz appears on three T206 cards.  His “Arms Folded” card was released in 1909 and “Arm at Side” and “Hands Above Head” both came out in 1911.

8.  Ed Reulbach – 5.4 WAR for pitchers

“Big Ed” turned in a 19-10 record to go with an ERA of 1.78 in 1909.  It was his 5th straight stellar season, and he was only 26 years old.  Looking at this list, you can imagine how dominant the Cubs staff was.  Both his K/9 and BB/9 were top 10 in the NL.  He started 32 games.  23 of them were CGs and 6 were shutouts.  In 1909, his “Glove Showing” T206 was introduced, and “No Glove Showing” followed in 1910.

NL pitching war 6-9

9.  Vic Willis – 4.5 WAR for pitchers

As a 33 year-old, Vic Willis led the NL in games started with 35 (24 of them were complete games).   He won 22 and lost 11 in his penultimate campaign.  It was his 4th straight 20-win season for Pittsburgh.  Willis’ “Portrait” was released in 1909 and features him with Pittsburgh.  His “With Bat” and “Pitching” poses were both produced in 1910 and depict him in a St. Louis uniform.

10.  Hooks Wiltse – 4.1 WAR for pitchers

In arguably his finest season, Wiltse went 20-11 with a 2.00 ERA in 1909.  It was his 6th straight exceptional campaign.  He sneaked into the Top 10 in strikeouts with 119 (10th) and his BB/9 of 1.70 was good for third in the NL.  His “Portrait no cap” was released in 1909.  “Pitching” came out in 1910, and “Portrait with cap” followed in 1911.

Auction Report: Memory Lane

T206 Evers Red Hindu

Memory Lane’s winter auction came to a close on Saturday night.  Among the offerings were a group of T206 rarities that attracted some spirited bidding.  It looks like a Chicago Cubs collector consigned a large group of cards to this auction.  A majority of the significant T206s sold here featured Cubs players on their fronts.

Red Hindu Evers SGC 60 – $6,225
This is the second-highest graded copy of Evers Red Hindu, and it is a stunner.  It seems like a strong price to me based on the POP numbers, but the same card sold for $10,158 two years ago in Heritage, so I’m sure the buyer is thrilled.

T206 Chance Lenox PSA 4

Chance Lenox PSA 4 – $3,037
This one was a great deal.  The same card sold for $8,888 via REA in 2012.  It’s the highest graded copy in either pop report and a nice looking card.  If it had been in a shiny new holder with “Lenox” on the flip, I bet it would have sold for more.  A very nice buy for the new owner.

Chance red portrait EPDG PSA 5 – $1,951
This is the highest graded copy at PSA, and it fetched a strong price.  A front/back combo that’s sneaky tough to find, this one was definitely not ignored by collectors.

T206 Evers portrait Hindu

Evers portrait Hindu SGC 50 – $1,319
The new owner has to be excited to snag this card at such a great price.  It’s a bit of a weak 4, and that, as well as the myriad other tough Cubs cards in the auction, may have depressed the price.

T206 Tinker Blank Back

Tinker bat off shoulder Blank Back – $1,244
This is my pick for best deal of the auction.  Printer’s Scrap and Blank Backs continue to see their values fall, but this price seems ridiculously low.  I imagine a lot of back collectors will regret letting that one go for such a low price (I already do).  The fact that this is Tinker’s least popular pose may have been partially responsible for the low hammer.

Evers Broadleaf 350 SGC 30 – $1,128
Another card that went a lot lower than I would have expected.  In retrospect, I wish I had gotten in there.  Besides being a very scarce front/back combo, this one also has tremendous eye appeal for the grade.  No paper loss, and the lone crease is not too distracting.

Evers Broadleaf 350

Evers Cubs on Shirt Sovereign 150 SGC 40 – $580
This front/back combo is tough to come by, and there were clearly 2 or 3 bidders who really wanted this one.  It’s a strong return for the consignor and a fair price based on the scarcity of the card.

The T206 150-Only Subjects

T206 150 only series

There are 13 poses from the 150 series that were discontinued prior to the 350 series.  Among them are Honus Wagner and the Sherry Magie error.  These two were pulled from production early on and exist in very small numbers.  The remaining 11 are generally referred to as “The 150-Only Subjects”.  They are as follows:

  • Ames hands at chest
  • Browne, George Chicago (misspelled as Brown)
  • Brown, Mordecai Cubs on shirt
  • Burch batting
  • Donlin fielding
  • Doyle throwing
  • Evers Cubs on shirt
  • Pattee
  • Pelty horizontal
  • Powers
  • Reulbach glove showing

T206 150 Only Subjects last 6

Each of these 11 subjects were printed with the following backs:

  • Hindu
  • Piedmont 150
  • Sovereign 150
  • Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25
  • Sweet Caporal 150 factory 30

Curiously, Powers was also printed with Sweet Caporal 150 factory 649 overprint.  For most of these poses, Hindu is the scarcest back with Sovereign 150 close behind.  Hindu backs will fetch the highest prices.

T206 Doc Powers Sovereign 150

American Tobacco Company’s decision to pull this group of cards from production early is hard to understand.  Browne, Pattee and Powers were logical candidates to be pulled early, but the same cannot be said for the other eight players.  Browne was claimed off waivers by Washington in May of 1909.  The caption was changed on his card and he was featured in the 350 series as a member of the Washington club.  Pattee played only one season of Major League Baseball, in 1908.  Once it was clear he was not going to play in 1909, it makes sense that they wanted to omit him from the 150 series.  Powers, likewise, was out of MLB in 1909.  He is a curious inclusion to begin with.  A journeyman backup catcher and first baseman, he had a career average of just .216.  Powers played just one game in 1908 as a 38 year-old.  I’m a little surprised he made a strong enough impression in 1907 and previous seasons to be included in the set at all.

I can’t think of an explanation as to why the other eight players were pulled from future printings.  Ames, Brown, Donlin, Doyle, Evers, and Reulbach were stars.  It makes no sense to stop production of their cards prematurely.  Pelty was a solid and dependable starter for St. Louis, and Burch finished the 1909 season 5th in the NL in hits.  Each of these eight players are featured on another card that was released later in the T206 print run.  The reason for their omission will probably remain one of the mysteries of the T206 set.

Because these 11 poses were not printed with any 350 series backs, they exist in far fewer quantities than a typical 150-350 series pose.  As a result, they show up for sale less often, are harder to find in nice condition, and sell for a premium.

T206 Larry Doyle throwing Hindu

T206 Player Bio: Harry Lumley

T206 Harry Lumley Sovereign 150

During his short MLB career, Harry Lumley was one of the most feared sluggers in the game.  He played only 5 full seasons in the Majors, and his stats are staggering.  He was sidelined by injuries, rheumatism, and a tendency to put on weight.  If he had remained healthy, it’s not hard to imagine him as a member of the Baseball Hall of Fame.

In 1903, Lumley played for Seattle of the Pacific Coast League, which was an outlaw league at the time.  He led the league in batting average with a .383 clip.  Following that season, the PCL joined organized baseball.  As a result, all of Seattle’s players were eligible for the Rule 5 Draft, and Lumley was selected by the Brooklyn Superbas.  As a 23 year-old rookie in 1904, he led the National League in both triples (18) and home runs (9).  He put up an average of .279 with an OPS of .759.  It was an incredible rookie season, but he was just getting started.

In 1905, Lumley’s average climbed to .293, though his triple (10) and home run (7) totals dropped a bit.   His 7 HRs were still good for 3rd in the NL.  1906 was his best year by far.  His batting average jumped to .324, good for 3rd in the NL behind only Harry Steinfeldt and Honus Wagner.  He led the league in slugging (.477) and was second in triples (12) and home runs (9), trailing only his teammate Tim Jordan.

1907 was another great year for Lumley, but sadly it was the last season he performed at a high level.  He hit 9 home runs, good for second in the NL and slugged .425, which slotted in just behind Wagner and Magee on the NL leaderboard.  Near the end of the season, he broke his ankle while sliding, which ended his season after 127 games.  The injury lingered into the 1908 season and made it tough for him to keep his weight down.  Prior to the season, he was named team captain.  He played 127 games in 1908, but only hit .216 with 4 home runs.

Prior to the 1909 season, Brooklyn owner Charles Ebbets named Lumley manager.  He skippered his squad to a 55-98 record, which was good for 6th in the NL.  That doesn’t look too good at first glance, but in 1908 the club went 53-101 and finished 7th, so it was a nice, if small, improvement.  As a player, Lumley appeared in 55 games, but injuries and weight gain had sapped him of his effectiveness.  He put up a decent average (.250) but didn’t hit a single home run.

After the season, Ebbets replaced Lumley with Bill Dahlen as the new manager.  Lumley started the season with the club as a player, but he only played 8 games before being released in June of 1910.

If the T206 set had begun production in 1904, Lumley might have been featured on three or four cards.  As it was, he made the cut to be included mainly because he was the current manager of the 1909 Brooklyn team.  Fans no doubt were hoping for him to return to form, but injuries had taken their toll.  Lumley is one of the more compelling players in the T206 set, and I am very happy he was included, even if we only got one card of him.

T206 Lumley back run

I want to thank baseball-reference.com for the stats and leaderboards and Tom Simon for his great article that can be found here.  Both of these resources were a big help to me in telling the fascinating story of Harry Lumley.

T206 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42: An Introduction

T206 O'leary Piedmont Factory 42

When I first got into collecting the T206 set, I read somewhere that Piedmont Factory 42 backs were rare and valuable.  They look almost identical to the other Piedmont 350-460 back, which is from Factory 25.  Because of this, they sometimes fall through the cracks and can be found at bargain prices.  For the next few months, I checked the bottom of every Piedmont back I saw on ebay, hoping to find my first Piedmont 42 (sadly, I didn’t find a single one).  At the time, I didn’t realize the Piedmont Factory 42 back was only possible on certain fronts (76 different fronts to be exact).  I wish someone had told me early on which cards to check the backs of and which cards to not bother with.  I figured it might be helpful to write an article about this topic, since I wasted a lot of time checking back scans of poses that couldn’t possibly have possibly been from Factory 42.

These are the most important things to know:

  • Piedmont 150 backs are all from Factory 25
  • Piedmont 350 backs are all from Factory 25
  • Piedmont 350-460 backs can be found with both Factory 25 and Factory 42 backs
  • Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs are very scarce and sell for a large premium over their Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 counterparts

So don’t bother checking the factory numbers on Piedmont 150 and 350 backs, because they are all the same.

The Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 checklist consists of 109 poses.  The majority of those 109 also were printed with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs, but not all.  Here is the entire 76 card checklist of Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42:

piedmont-factory-42-checklist

These 76 poses are the only ones that exist with Piedmont Factory 42 backs.  It’s not clear why the other 33 poses printed with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 were left off the Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 print run.  These are the 33 poses that exist with P350-460 Fact. 25 but not with P350-460 Fact. 42:

T206 Factory 42 No Prints

Now that we’ve gone over which cards to look for, let’s talk about value.  Prices seem to be down a bit recently, but they still command a large premium.  Cards in the poor-fair range have been selling for $150-$200 and the gd-vg range for between $250-$400 lately.  By the time you read this, the market could have changed, so make sure to check completed ebay sales and other online auction houses to get a better idea of the current market value.

Lastly, there is one slight visual difference between Factory 25 and Factory 42 backs.  The printing on the bottom of the Factory 42 backs takes up more space from left the right.  Knowing this and keeping an eye out for it can help you spot these cards.  Check out the image below to see what I mean.

pied-42-vs-25-comparison

Thank you to t206resource.com for the use of the above checklists.

 

What do Lou Criger and Red Dooin Have in Common?

T206 Dooin Sovereign 150

Among 150-350 subjects, Criger and Dooin share an interesting distinction.  They are the only two poses that were printed with El Principe de Gales back but not with Hindu or Old Mill.  Jiggs Donohue, the subject of a recent article, is similar.  He was not printed with Hindu or Old Mill, but was also left off the EPDG print run as well.

I find it fun to try and collect the toughest back for each pose.  In the 150-350 series, that generally means you end up looking for a lot of Hindu and Old Mill backs.  Criger and Dooin are refreshing in that their toughest backs are either EPDG or Sovereign 150.  It’s kind of a toss-up as to which back is more desirable.  EPDG backs typically sell for more than Sovereign 150 backs, but it’s close.

t206 Criger EPDG

I think the Sovereign 150 back is the scarcer of the two backs for Dooin and Criger.  Normally, it would pretty easy to figure it out using the PSA and SGC Pop Reports, but it can be tough to get a good gauge on Sovereign 150 backs.  PSA combined all Sovereign backs under one generic heading for the first few years that they cataloged backs.  For both Criger and Dooin, their Sovereign 350 back is much more plentiful than Sovereign 150, so the generic Sovereign listing doesn’t help us much.  The SGC numbers are easier to read, but they don’t help us reach any conclusions:

T206 Dooin EPDG

 

Criger EPDG – 6 in SGC Pop Report
Criger Sov150 – 4 in SGC Pop Report
Dooin EPDG – 4 in SGC Pop Report
Dooin Sov150 – 6 in SGC Pop Report

So, my gut says the Sov150 is tougher to find for each of them, but I don’t have any way to prove it.  Either way, as you can see from the SGC Pop Report, the two backs are pretty close in terms of scarcity.  It’s nice to have a couple poses to search for where the toughest card won’t break the bank like a Hindu might.  Also, it likely won’t take years to find one like it can when searching for a specific Old Mill.

T206 Criger Sovereign 150

T206 Wildfire Schulte front view Piedmont 350 – Is it a 1 of 1?

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Prior to 2012, it was assumed that Schulte front view was a 150-only subject. However, in REA’s Spring 2012 Auction a near complete (517/524) T206 set was auctioned off that included a low-grade Schulte with Piedmont 350 back.  The partial set went for $44,438.  It contained many other cool cards including a Cycle 460 Cobb and a Red Hindu Gandil.  Still, the price tag was pretty hefty.  The Schulte was the crown jewel of the collection, and it no doubt drove the strong bidding.

This new find was quite the head-scratcher for T206 back collectors.  This made Schulte front-view an incredibly tough card to categorize.  It definitely couldn’t be a 150-only subject anymore, but it didn’t fit neatly into any other category either.  At the time, collectors looked to a group of 150-350 series poses referred to as the “Elite 8*” subjects to try and find a fit.

At the time, the Elite 8 subjects consisted of these poses*:

  • Dahlen Boston
  • Ewing
  • Ganley
  • Jones, Tom
  • Karger
  • Lindaman
  • Lundgren Chicago
  • Mullin horizontal

These 8 poses are unique in that they shared many traits with the 150-only subjects.  They were not printed with Old Mill, Sovereign 350 or Sweet Caporal 350 backs.  However, each of the 8 was printed with El Principe de Gales backs and Piedmont 350.  They are all very tough to find with Piedmont 350 back (some more so than others – probably a subject for another article).  Each of these poses was pulled from production early in the Piedmont 350 print run, creating scarcity.

With this new discovery, some people felt Schulte should be the 9th member of this group.  The awesome name “Ninja 9” was even floated as a potential moniker.  The big problem with putting him in this group is that he wasn’t printed with an El Principe de Gales back.  Some collectors posited the theory that this Schulte card could be a proof or printer’s scrap never meant to be released.  That is possible, but in my opinion it looks like it was factory-cut.  Tough to be sure because the card is in such rough shape, but it doesn’t have any telltale signs of being hand-cut.

For now, Schulte front view is a pose that defies categorization.  Until another example with Piedmont 350 back shows up, collectors will be split on what to make of the lone copy.  Keep your eyes peeled.  Maybe you’ll be the person who finds the next one!

*Today this group is generally thought to include either 11 or 12 poses.  Schaefer Detroit, Shaw St. Louis, and Spencer have been added to the 8 mentioned above.  Some consider Schulte front view the 12th member of the group.

T206 Schulte front view Piedmont 350